Some patrol missions are pretty easy - Skulls and Clockwork
can be found pretty much anywhere. Any Circle of Thorns
are easy to find in Perez Park, for example. But last night
I had two missions in King's Row - one for the Lost, and
one for Circle of Thorns. After tramping across almost the
entire map, we eventually found some Lost. But despite waiting
til midnight, then scrambling up buildings and looking around
(I have neither flight or jump powers yet), I couldn't find any
Thorns.

Am I just unlucky, or is there some knowledge I don't have
yet? Am I supposed to know where to find these character
types or is it meant to be trial and laborious error?

--
-pm

http://oceanclub.blogspot.com

"Suppose conventional wisdom to be a forest. I am chainsaw. You
are squirrels."

The COT in Kings Row are found north and west of the Tram. There is a spawn
spot behind the building as you head west from the tram. They are on roof
tops in that area as well. The best place to find them is to head north
from the tram until you reach the road before the wall, head west until you
reach a bridge.

There are COT, Lost, Vaz, Skulls, Trolls, Clockwork, etc in the blocks north
and south of that bridge.


"Paul Moloney" <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42f87ba1$0$16145$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfr eenews.net...
> Some patrol missions are pretty easy - Skulls and Clockwork
> can be found pretty much anywhere. Any Circle of Thorns
> are easy to find in Perez Park, for example. But last night
> I had two missions in King's Row - one for the Lost, and
> one for Circle of Thorns. After tramping across almost the
> entire map, we eventually found some Lost. But despite waiting
> til midnight, then scrambling up buildings and looking around
> (I have neither flight or jump powers yet), I couldn't find any
> Thorns.
>
> Am I just unlucky, or is there some knowledge I don't have
> yet? Am I supposed to know where to find these character
> types or is it meant to be trial and laborious error?
>
> --
> -pm
>
> http://oceanclub.blogspot.com
>
> "Suppose conventional wisdom to be a forest. I am chainsaw. You
> are squirrels."
>
>

"Mike Carlson" <mikecarlson@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:8I6dnZ2dnZ1fAL_5nZ2dnZcdZd-dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@wideopenwest.com...

> The COT in Kings Row are found north and west of the Tram. There is a
> spawn spot behind the building as you head west from the tram. They are
> on roof tops in that area as well. The best place to find them is to head
> north from the tram until you reach the road before the wall, head west
> until you reach a bridge.
>
> There are COT, Lost, Vaz, Skulls, Trolls, Clockwork, etc in the blocks
> north and south of that bridge.

Thanks.... but I guess the point of my post was - not where to find
them, but how am I meant to know? For example, did you find them through
trial or error, or by asking on broadcast, or some other way?

Cheers,

P.

--
-pm

http://oceanclub.blogspot.com

"I have no taste for either poverty or honest labour, so writing
is the only recourse left for me."

Paul Moloney <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Mike Carlson" <mikecarlson@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
>news:8I6dnZ2dnZ1fAL_5nZ2dnZcdZd-dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@wideopenwest.com...
>
>> The COT in Kings Row are found north and west of the Tram. There is a
>> spawn spot behind the building as you head west from the tram. They are
>> on roof tops in that area as well. The best place to find them is to head
>> north from the tram until you reach the road before the wall, head west
>> until you reach a bridge.
>>
>> There are COT, Lost, Vaz, Skulls, Trolls, Clockwork, etc in the blocks
>> north and south of that bridge.
>
>Thanks.... but I guess the point of my post was - not where to find
>them, but how am I meant to know? For example, did you find them through
>trial or error, or by asking on broadcast, or some other way?
>

There are a lot of fan websites with this info.
http://www.vidotmaps.com/coh/ has extensive maps with spawn info on
them, but they seem to be having problems right now (can't get the page
to come up -- try later.)

-R

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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:17:51 +0100, Paul Moloney <paul_moloney@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks.... but I guess the point of my post was - not where to find
> them, but how am I meant to know? For example, did you find them through
> trial or error, or by asking on broadcast, or some other way?

It's up to you. You can explore the zone and piece together the
information yourself, or you can ask more seasoned players. I've found
out some, overheard some in broadcast, and passed it on to anyone who
asked. It is a multiplayer game, after all, at least if you want it to be.

--
"When someone starts bragging about how much debt they have, it's not a
good sign." -G

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:49:54 +0100, "Paul Moloney"
<paul_moloney@hotmail.com> scribed into the ether:

>Some patrol missions are pretty easy - Skulls and Clockwork
>can be found pretty much anywhere. Any Circle of Thorns
>are easy to find in Perez Park, for example. But last night
>I had two missions in King's Row - one for the Lost, and
>one for Circle of Thorns. After tramping across almost the
>entire map, we eventually found some Lost. But despite waiting
>til midnight, then scrambling up buildings and looking around
>(I have neither flight or jump powers yet), I couldn't find any
>Thorns.
>
>Am I just unlucky, or is there some knowledge I don't have
>yet? Am I supposed to know where to find these character
>types or is it meant to be trial and laborious error?

Usually the mission instructions will tell you places to find these things.

I'm not sure why Lost and CoT in KR are so difficult to locate, they are
extremely abundant.

Lost are all along the bottom of the zone on the road that runs the breadth
of the south wall. They are also very common in the northeast corner (not
the very top near the Galaxy City gate, the other northeast corner) in the
Royal Refinery area.

CoT are found in great quantity on rooftops in The Gish. They can also
spawn other places, even on the ground sometimes, but roofs in the Gish is
best. If you have Combat Jumping or Hover, they are quite easy to search.
Otherwise, a little sleight of hand trickery is in order, since climbing
buildings without those two abilities can be a real nuisance.

Put the camera looking straight down, or nearly so, and make use of the
/camdist command to set your viewing distance to about 400 feet or so
(beyond max zoom using the mouse wheel) so that you can see rooftops from
street level. That lets you pick out the winning roofs without having to
climb up a dozen dry holes.

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:17:51 +0100, "Paul Moloney"
<paul_moloney@hotmail.com> scribed into the ether:

>"Mike Carlson" <mikecarlson@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
>news:8I6dnZ2dnZ1fAL_5nZ2dnZcdZd-dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@wideopenwest.com...
>
>> The COT in Kings Row are found north and west of the Tram. There is a
>> spawn spot behind the building as you head west from the tram. They are
>> on roof tops in that area as well. The best place to find them is to head
>> north from the tram until you reach the road before the wall, head west
>> until you reach a bridge.
>>
>> There are COT, Lost, Vaz, Skulls, Trolls, Clockwork, etc in the blocks
>> north and south of that bridge.
>
>Thanks.... but I guess the point of my post was - not where to find
>them, but how am I meant to know? For example, did you find them through
>trial or error, or by asking on broadcast, or some other way?

Mission text tells you, and part of the purpose of street sweeping missions
is to GET YOU TO EXPLORE.

I just went around and checked the city out, without worrying about how
fast I was getting those kills.

"Paul Moloney" <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Am I just unlucky, or is there some knowledge I don't have
> yet? Am I supposed to know where to find these character
> types or is it meant to be trial and laborious error?

1) Get the Vidiotmaps update. It lists foe types and levels on the maps
(some of which you have to clear and some of which can be seen through the
fog).

2) Check this web site:

http://members.cox.net/arianeb/index1.html?coh.htm

And check the other links from HEROICA! as well.

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"Paul Moloney" <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks.... but I guess the point of my post was - not where to find
> them, but how am I meant to know? For example, did you find them
> through trial or error, or by asking on broadcast, or some other way?

Generally, when a contact gives you missions, they'll suggest specific
areas of a zone to look. It's up to you to find those zones. You can also
ask - if you're polite and use the Request channel, you'll usually get a
prompt and helpful answer.

A lot of the game is "to be discovered" or "to be shared." Too much, maybe.
Hence the improved maps and helpful web sites.

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"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure why Lost and CoT in KR are so difficult to locate, they are
> extremely abundant.
>
> Lost are all along the bottom of the zone on the road that runs the
> breadth
> of the south wall. They are also very common in the northeast corner (not
> the very top near the Galaxy City gate, the other northeast corner) in the
> Royal Refinery area.

It varies. I've spent an hour looking for Lost (in apparently all the wrong
places). Then last night I come on as one of my scrappers at his next door
mission and there's Lost right there. I got 3, then took out some Vaz (I
really don't like Vaz) and the spot respawned and I got 2 more. Then I went
and did the door mission. I finished off the 10 lost I needed within, say,
15 minutes after that.

The Lost seem to have a psychology of where they hang out. I find them most
in open spots like parks or wide walkways. They don't seem fond of regular
city streets, highways or residential areas.


> CoT are found in great quantity on rooftops in The Gish. They can also
> spawn other places, even on the ground sometimes, but roofs in the Gish is
> best. If you have Combat Jumping or Hover, they are quite easy to search.
> Otherwise, a little sleight of hand trickery is in order, since climbing
> buildings without those two abilities can be a real nuisance.

Overpasses, rooftops and the occasional back yard. If you're a little
tougher, there's a little corner of Steel Canyon too. If I cna just hunt
generic Cot, I always prefer KR. No Madness Mages. They're a pain in the
butt.


> Put the camera looking straight down, or nearly so, and make use of the
> /camdist command to set your viewing distance to about 400 feet or so
> (beyond max zoom using the mouse wheel) so that you can see rooftops from
> street level. That lets you pick out the winning roofs without having to
> climb up a dozen dry holes.

....so other people besides me hate climbing fire escapes?

I have had varied success using jump to get up buildings. It really only
works on the tenement buildings because they have lots of little protrusions
to get a hold of. I haven't mastered the trick yet, but it can be done.


--
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Vorlonagent


"Methane martini.
Shaken, not stirred."

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"Vorlonagent" <jt@otfresno.com> wrote:
> The Lost seem to have a psychology of where they hang out. I find
> them most in open spots like parks or wide walkways. They don't seem
> fond of regular city streets, highways or residential areas.

All foes have their preferred areas, some quite specific. Council, for
example, are almost always "recruiting" along populated roadways. (Striga
is an exception; there, they're guarding their bases and checkpoints as
well as running loose in the streets.) Lost are similar but can be found in
parking lots and alleys as well. Vahz do their dirty work in alleys and
behind buildings. The various gangs have subtle but consistent rules about
where they hang.

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-= R A Heinlein: Level 19 Science Controller, Ill/Rad, M
-= Justice Server =-
-= Jazz-Man: Level 8 Natural Blaster, AR/Devs, M
-= See you on HEROICA! - http://www.dgath.com/coh/
-= The UPDATED v1.00 Keybind & Macro Guide is now available!

Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:49:54 +0100, "Paul Moloney"
><paul_moloney@hotmail.com> scribed into the ether:
>
>>Some patrol missions are pretty easy - Skulls and Clockwork
>>can be found pretty much anywhere. Any Circle of Thorns
>>are easy to find in Perez Park, for example. But last night
>>I had two missions in King's Row - one for the Lost, and
>>one for Circle of Thorns. After tramping across almost the
>>entire map, we eventually found some Lost. But despite waiting
>>til midnight, then scrambling up buildings and looking around
>>(I have neither flight or jump powers yet), I couldn't find any
>>Thorns.
>>
>>Am I just unlucky, or is there some knowledge I don't have
>>yet? Am I supposed to know where to find these character
>>types or is it meant to be trial and laborious error?
>
>Usually the mission instructions will tell you places to find these things.
>
>I'm not sure why Lost and CoT in KR are so difficult to locate, they are
>extremely abundant.
>
>Lost are all along the bottom of the zone on the road that runs the breadth
>of the south wall. They are also very common in the northeast corner (not
>the very top near the Galaxy City gate, the other northeast corner) in the
>Royal Refinery area.

Not all along the south wall, really only the eastern half. What I've
always said when someone asks in broadcast is "along the entire _east_
wall, from the refinery to the south wall and part way along the south
wall.

Most people either go straight for the south wall or for the refinery,
ignoring the ones on the east wall at the south end behind the
buildings. This can be great since it means _I_ don't have to wait.

CoT have specific spawn points, BUT they won't spawn if something else
is already there (like clockwork who share some of the same spawn
points) so if someone hangs about waiting and doesn't kill the clocks,
the cot don't come.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr