I see three, excuse the spelling

Zul Forkorin (Tanaris)
Maraudon (Desolace)
Lost Temple of Atal' Lothic (Swamp of Sorrows - Pool of Tears)

It appears that Maraudon is lower level than ZF by a very slight
amount.

I can't get a list of all the quests for the one in the Swamp of
Sorrows so I can't tell where it relates level-wise compared to the
other two. No quests listed on Thottbot other than by finding the
location of where each one is given. They don't have a selection for
the dunsgeon to find all the quests there.

Gamepressure also does not have a straight forward lsit of the quests
in the Temple in the Swamp.

But of couse a very important question for me to need the answer to in
addition to the levels of the quests in these dungeons is this:

Which of the three dungeons is the shortest one - or smallest?

And by shortest could also mean "can be broken down to different
sections". Such as the Scarlet Monastary has three different places
(was it three?) where one could go to. So one could make three spearate
visits to that place.

Holiday weekend on the 11th. Might be able to hit one of these places
on that Saturday night.

Gotta start making palns now and get the quests ready and all the
pre-req qeusts done.

Three cheers for the three dungeons!!

OH! OH! OH!

Orion

On 2 Nov 2006 05:43:36 -0800, "Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I see three, excuse the spelling
>
>Zul Forkorin (Tanaris)
>Maraudon (Desolace)
>Lost Temple of Atal' Lothic (Swamp of Sorrows - Pool of Tears)
>
>It appears that Maraudon is lower level than ZF by a very slight
>amount.

In my experience ZF is slightly the lower - it's a tough one to complete,
but normally groups there can get away with people as low as 42-43 (if the
rest of the group is high 40s), while Maraudon really needs to all be high
40s.

>I can't get a list of all the quests for the one in the Swamp of
>Sorrows so I can't tell where it relates level-wise compared to the
>other two. No quests listed on Thottbot other than by finding the
>location of where each one is given. They don't have a selection for
>the dunsgeon to find all the quests there.

Try Allakhazam, it lists quests related to the dungeon too. I generally
find Sunken Temple to be about low 50s, not too bad from 48 up. You'll get
a class quest at 50 which will send you there (at least I think every class
has one), so you may as well wait until then to go, will save an extra
trip!

>Which of the three dungeons is the shortest one - or smallest?

Urgh, none of them... probably ZF I guess, Maraudon usually takes hours in
a pug, and I only did ST once and it was a horrendous maze that we spent
hours in and completed only one quest lol. Strangely enough I never went
back ;-)

>And by shortest could also mean "can be broken down to different
>sections". Such as the Scarlet Monastary has three different places
>(was it three?) where one could go to. So one could make three spearate
>visits to that place.

Technically Maraudon can, as it has two entrances that lead to the same
place. Unfortunately most of the quests require you to visit both
entrances, plus if you happen to have done one entrance you might not
always be able to persuade your group to do the other one next time.

Have to say I'm not a fan of any of those instances, it's where things
start getting tougher in pugs and most my visits have been very tough. To
be fair last time I went to maraudon was fine, only deaths came right after
we finished the last boss anyway (hunter's pet took a long way round and
brought friends, doh :-)), but ZF is a constant wipefest unless everyone
knows what they're doing, and ST was no fun the one time I went.
--
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Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 42)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)

On 2 Nov 2006 05:43:36 -0800, "Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I see three, excuse the spelling
>
>Zul Forkorin (Tanaris)
>Maraudon (Desolace)
>Lost Temple of Atal' Lothic (Swamp of Sorrows - Pool of Tears)
>
>It appears that Maraudon is lower level than ZF by a very slight
>amount.

In my experience ZF is slightly the lower - it's a tough one to complete,
but normally groups there can get away with people as low as 42-43 (if the
rest of the group is high 40s), while Maraudon really needs to all be high
40s.

>I can't get a list of all the quests for the one in the Swamp of
>Sorrows so I can't tell where it relates level-wise compared to the
>other two. No quests listed on Thottbot other than by finding the
>location of where each one is given. They don't have a selection for
>the dunsgeon to find all the quests there.

Try Allakhazam, it lists quests related to the dungeon too. I generally
find Sunken Temple to be about low 50s, not too bad from 48 up. You'll get
a class quest at 50 which will send you there (at least I think every class
has one), so you may as well wait until then to go, will save an extra
trip!

>Which of the three dungeons is the shortest one - or smallest?

Urgh, none of them... probably ZF I guess, Maraudon usually takes hours in
a pug, and I only did ST once and it was a horrendous maze that we spent
hours in and completed only one quest lol. Strangely enough I never went
back ;-)

>And by shortest could also mean "can be broken down to different
>sections". Such as the Scarlet Monastary has three different places
>(was it three?) where one could go to. So one could make three spearate
>visits to that place.

Technically Maraudon can, as it has two entrances that lead to the same
place. Unfortunately most of the quests require you to visit both
entrances, plus if you happen to have done one entrance you might not
always be able to persuade your group to do the other one next time.

Have to say I'm not a fan of any of those instances, it's where things
start getting tougher in pugs and most my visits have been very tough. To
be fair last time I went to maraudon was fine, only deaths came right after
we finished the last boss anyway (hunter's pet took a long way round and
brought friends, doh :-)), but ZF is a constant wipefest unless everyone
knows what they're doing, and ST was no fun the one time I went.
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 42)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)

On 2 Nov 2006 05:43:36 -0800, "Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I see three, excuse the spelling
>
>Zul Forkorin (Tanaris)
>Maraudon (Desolace)
>Lost Temple of Atal' Lothic (Swamp of Sorrows - Pool of Tears)
>
>It appears that Maraudon is lower level than ZF by a very slight
>amount.

In my experience ZF is slightly the lower - it's a tough one to complete,
but normally groups there can get away with people as low as 42-43 (if the
rest of the group is high 40s), while Maraudon really needs to all be high
40s.

>I can't get a list of all the quests for the one in the Swamp of
>Sorrows so I can't tell where it relates level-wise compared to the
>other two. No quests listed on Thottbot other than by finding the
>location of where each one is given. They don't have a selection for
>the dunsgeon to find all the quests there.

Try Allakhazam, it lists quests related to the dungeon too. I generally
find Sunken Temple to be about low 50s, not too bad from 48 up. You'll get
a class quest at 50 which will send you there (at least I think every class
has one), so you may as well wait until then to go, will save an extra
trip!

>Which of the three dungeons is the shortest one - or smallest?

Urgh, none of them... probably ZF I guess, Maraudon usually takes hours in
a pug, and I only did ST once and it was a horrendous maze that we spent
hours in and completed only one quest lol. Strangely enough I never went
back ;-)

>And by shortest could also mean "can be broken down to different
>sections". Such as the Scarlet Monastary has three different places
>(was it three?) where one could go to. So one could make three spearate
>visits to that place.

Technically Maraudon can, as it has two entrances that lead to the same
place. Unfortunately most of the quests require you to visit both
entrances, plus if you happen to have done one entrance you might not
always be able to persuade your group to do the other one next time.

Have to say I'm not a fan of any of those instances, it's where things
start getting tougher in pugs and most my visits have been very tough. To
be fair last time I went to maraudon was fine, only deaths came right after
we finished the last boss anyway (hunter's pet took a long way round and
brought friends, doh :-)), but ZF is a constant wipefest unless everyone
knows what they're doing, and ST was no fun the one time I went.
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 42)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)

"Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I see three, excuse the spelling
>
> Zul Forkorin (Tanaris)
> Maraudon (Desolace)
> Lost Temple of Atal' Lothic (Swamp of Sorrows - Pool of Tears)

A while ago, but I'd say
ZF: ~ level 48-50
Maraudon: ~ level 50-52
ST (sunken temple): ~ level 52-54

That's "optimum" levels, which means it's kinda challenging while
still leaving a bit of room to breathe when something goes wrong.

> It appears that Maraudon is lower level than ZF by a very slight
> amount.

Maraudon is kind of sectioned into 3 parts, the first 2 parts are
a lot lower level than what I wrote above.

> Which of the three dungeons is the shortest one - or smallest?
>
> And by shortest could also mean "can be broken down to different
> sections". Such as the Scarlet Monastary has three different places
> (was it three?) where one could go to. So one could make three spearate
> visits to that place.

Maraudon, the first 2 sections are easily doable in 1.5h with a group
of 5. Same for the last section (the princess).

Another hint which could save you a lot of frustration: Sunken Temple is
an instance that essentially takes 2 hours with a good group. You can
easily spend 4 hours in the without actually doing anything. If you go
there (and it's worth to go there at least once), take someone with you
who's been there before. Or at least read up on it and bring some time,
otherwise it can be very frustrating.

Chris

--
[WoW] Wildcard - Treehugging Tauren (60) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Gwaith - Short beastmaster (60) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
Sian - Best friend (60) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
Yagon - Pointy eared beast (20) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]

"Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I see three, excuse the spelling
>
> Zul Forkorin (Tanaris)
> Maraudon (Desolace)
> Lost Temple of Atal' Lothic (Swamp of Sorrows - Pool of Tears)

A while ago, but I'd say
ZF: ~ level 48-50
Maraudon: ~ level 50-52
ST (sunken temple): ~ level 52-54

That's "optimum" levels, which means it's kinda challenging while
still leaving a bit of room to breathe when something goes wrong.

> It appears that Maraudon is lower level than ZF by a very slight
> amount.

Maraudon is kind of sectioned into 3 parts, the first 2 parts are
a lot lower level than what I wrote above.

> Which of the three dungeons is the shortest one - or smallest?
>
> And by shortest could also mean "can be broken down to different
> sections". Such as the Scarlet Monastary has three different places
> (was it three?) where one could go to. So one could make three spearate
> visits to that place.

Maraudon, the first 2 sections are easily doable in 1.5h with a group
of 5. Same for the last section (the princess).

Another hint which could save you a lot of frustration: Sunken Temple is
an instance that essentially takes 2 hours with a good group. You can
easily spend 4 hours in the without actually doing anything. If you go
there (and it's worth to go there at least once), take someone with you
who's been there before. Or at least read up on it and bring some time,
otherwise it can be very frustrating.

Chris

--
[WoW] Wildcard - Treehugging Tauren (60) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Gwaith - Short beastmaster (60) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
Sian - Best friend (60) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
Yagon - Pointy eared beast (20) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]

"Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I see three, excuse the spelling
>
> Zul Forkorin (Tanaris)
> Maraudon (Desolace)
> Lost Temple of Atal' Lothic (Swamp of Sorrows - Pool of Tears)

A while ago, but I'd say
ZF: ~ level 48-50
Maraudon: ~ level 50-52
ST (sunken temple): ~ level 52-54

That's "optimum" levels, which means it's kinda challenging while
still leaving a bit of room to breathe when something goes wrong.

> It appears that Maraudon is lower level than ZF by a very slight
> amount.

Maraudon is kind of sectioned into 3 parts, the first 2 parts are
a lot lower level than what I wrote above.

> Which of the three dungeons is the shortest one - or smallest?
>
> And by shortest could also mean "can be broken down to different
> sections". Such as the Scarlet Monastary has three different places
> (was it three?) where one could go to. So one could make three spearate
> visits to that place.

Maraudon, the first 2 sections are easily doable in 1.5h with a group
of 5. Same for the last section (the princess).

Another hint which could save you a lot of frustration: Sunken Temple is
an instance that essentially takes 2 hours with a good group. You can
easily spend 4 hours in the without actually doing anything. If you go
there (and it's worth to go there at least once), take someone with you
who's been there before. Or at least read up on it and bring some time,
otherwise it can be very frustrating.

Chris

--
[WoW] Wildcard - Treehugging Tauren (60) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Gwaith - Short beastmaster (60) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
Sian - Best friend (60) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
Yagon - Pointy eared beast (20) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]

ZF would be the easiest and shortest. It has a few events that can be
rough if you don't know the drill, but once you learn the tactics, it's
pretty easy. I'd say the hardest boss is the one that spawns basalisks
(sorry don't remember the name) but you can just skip him if you have a
lower level group.

Mara is broken into 3 parts, but they are all part of the same
instance. There is a staff that ports you to the end portion, where
all the good bosses are. To make the staff you have to run through
both of the other 2 sections, and it can be difficult to find a PuG
interested in running those parts. Mara has very nice loot but most of
it is found on the last section. A run of just the last bit is usually
called a "Princess Run", the two instance entrance sections are
"Purple" and "Orange".

Swamp of Sorrows is probably the most difficult levelwise. Strategy
wise its not that bad. It's pretty confusing inside and you have to
clear in a certain order. This is a good place to have someone
experienced, and make sure you stick really close to your group the
first time. Make sure you get your class quest before you go, because
the drops inside aren't really that impressive, but the quest reward is
amazing.

I'd recommend www.wow-pro.com for some very nice instance guides that
will help you find your quests too.

ZF would be the easiest and shortest. It has a few events that can be
rough if you don't know the drill, but once you learn the tactics, it's
pretty easy. I'd say the hardest boss is the one that spawns basalisks
(sorry don't remember the name) but you can just skip him if you have a
lower level group.

Mara is broken into 3 parts, but they are all part of the same
instance. There is a staff that ports you to the end portion, where
all the good bosses are. To make the staff you have to run through
both of the other 2 sections, and it can be difficult to find a PuG
interested in running those parts. Mara has very nice loot but most of
it is found on the last section. A run of just the last bit is usually
called a "Princess Run", the two instance entrance sections are
"Purple" and "Orange".

Swamp of Sorrows is probably the most difficult levelwise. Strategy
wise its not that bad. It's pretty confusing inside and you have to
clear in a certain order. This is a good place to have someone
experienced, and make sure you stick really close to your group the
first time. Make sure you get your class quest before you go, because
the drops inside aren't really that impressive, but the quest reward is
amazing.

I'd recommend www.wow-pro.com for some very nice instance guides that
will help you find your quests too.

ZF would be the easiest and shortest. It has a few events that can be
rough if you don't know the drill, but once you learn the tactics, it's
pretty easy. I'd say the hardest boss is the one that spawns basalisks
(sorry don't remember the name) but you can just skip him if you have a
lower level group.

Mara is broken into 3 parts, but they are all part of the same
instance. There is a staff that ports you to the end portion, where
all the good bosses are. To make the staff you have to run through
both of the other 2 sections, and it can be difficult to find a PuG
interested in running those parts. Mara has very nice loot but most of
it is found on the last section. A run of just the last bit is usually
called a "Princess Run", the two instance entrance sections are
"Purple" and "Orange".

Swamp of Sorrows is probably the most difficult levelwise. Strategy
wise its not that bad. It's pretty confusing inside and you have to
clear in a certain order. This is a good place to have someone
experienced, and make sure you stick really close to your group the
first time. Make sure you get your class quest before you go, because
the drops inside aren't really that impressive, but the quest reward is
amazing.

I'd recommend www.wow-pro.com for some very nice instance guides that
will help you find your quests too.

"Enphuego" <michael.rumsey@macdill.af.mil> wrote in message
news:1162477124.100155.137910@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> ZF would be the easiest and shortest. It has a few events that can be
> rough if you don't know the drill, but once you learn the tactics, it's
> pretty easy. I'd say the hardest boss is the one that spawns basalisks
> (sorry don't remember the name) but you can just skip him if you have a
> lower level group.

The stairs event in ZF is , in my opinion, one of the most fun parts of all
the pre-60 instances

> Swamp of Sorrows is probably the most difficult levelwise. Strategy
> wise its not that bad. It's pretty confusing inside and you have to
> clear in a certain order. This is a good place to have someone
> experienced, and make sure you stick really close to your group the
> first time. Make sure you get your class quest before you go, because
> the drops inside aren't really that impressive, but the quest reward is
> amazing.

ST can also be divided into 2 halves relatively easily to shorten things -
the 6 trolls and dragons section (left 2 paths at entrance ) is the longer
one while the statues and altar bit (right 2 paths) is shorter. Doing the
whole lot in one bite can be a pain.

>
> I'd recommend www.wow-pro.com for some very nice instance guides that
> will help you find your quests too.
>


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"Enphuego" <michael.rumsey@macdill.af.mil> wrote in message
news:1162477124.100155.137910@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> ZF would be the easiest and shortest. It has a few events that can be
> rough if you don't know the drill, but once you learn the tactics, it's
> pretty easy. I'd say the hardest boss is the one that spawns basalisks
> (sorry don't remember the name) but you can just skip him if you have a
> lower level group.

The stairs event in ZF is , in my opinion, one of the most fun parts of all
the pre-60 instances

> Swamp of Sorrows is probably the most difficult levelwise. Strategy
> wise its not that bad. It's pretty confusing inside and you have to
> clear in a certain order. This is a good place to have someone
> experienced, and make sure you stick really close to your group the
> first time. Make sure you get your class quest before you go, because
> the drops inside aren't really that impressive, but the quest reward is
> amazing.

ST can also be divided into 2 halves relatively easily to shorten things -
the 6 trolls and dragons section (left 2 paths at entrance ) is the longer
one while the statues and altar bit (right 2 paths) is shorter. Doing the
whole lot in one bite can be a pain.

>
> I'd recommend www.wow-pro.com for some very nice instance guides that
> will help you find your quests too.
>


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