This dropped in Ramparts:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24045#comments

and I rolled for it, and someone in the group said "Rolling need for a
healer ring?" (I'm a shadow priest).

So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
class, or should I just not listen to people like that? I see that it
has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and damage for a
caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for it?

John Salerno <johnjsal@gmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

>This dropped in Ramparts:
>http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24045#comments
>
>and I rolled for it, and someone in the group said "Rolling need for a
>healer ring?" (I'm a shadow priest).
>
>So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
>class, or should I just not listen to people like that? I see that it
>has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and damage for a
>caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for it?

Any item with +healing is generally considered by most players to be
intended for healing characters. The amount of +dmg on those items is
not comparable to that on dedicated +dmg items at the same level.

The whole +healing vs. +spell damage issue goes away with either the
upcoming 3.0.2 patch or the release of WotLK, not sure which.

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In article <48e97550$0$4978$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
John Salerno <johnjsal@gmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
> class, or should I just not listen to people like that? I see that it
> has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and damage for a
> caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for it?

The one Kara pug I was in had these rules:
Need if it's for your spec and it's an upgrade.
Greed if it's for an off-spec.
Pass otherwise, and the enchanter can grab it and shard it if it's not
needed.

--
Joe Claffey | "In the end, everything is a gag."
indianajoe3@comcast.net | - Charlie Chaplin

"John Salerno" wrote

> This dropped in Ramparts:
> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24045#comments
>
> and I rolled for it, and someone in the group said "Rolling need for a
> healer ring?" (I'm a shadow priest).
>
> So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
> class, or should I just not listen to people like that? I see that it
> has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and damage for a
> caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for it?

If you change the stats so it's +29 damage and +10 healing,
what would you think of a healer rolling need on it when it
would be an upgrade for you as a DPS caster?

Or how about a hunter who rolled need? A 60ish hunter
could argue it's an upgrade in terms of mana and HP.
For that matter, a warrior could argue (and possibly show)
the +13 Stamina is an upgrade.

Of course it's really a caster's ring, and primarily a healer's
ring (due to more +healing than +damage), but "how do
you tell when it's meant for a class?" Pretty much the
same way you'd argue with a hunter or warrior who
could *prove* it's an upgrade in *some* way to their
current kit in this case...

Wolfie <bgbdwolf@gte.net> wrote:
>
> "John Salerno" wrote
>
>> This dropped in Ramparts:
>> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24045#comments
>>
>> and I rolled for it, and someone in the group said "Rolling need for a
>> healer ring?" (I'm a shadow priest).
>>
>> So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
>> class, or should I just not listen to people like that? I see that it
>> has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and damage for a
>> caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for it?
>
> If you change the stats so it's +29 damage and +10 healing,
> what would you think of a healer rolling need on it when it
> would be an upgrade for you as a DPS caster?
>
> Or how about a hunter who rolled need? A 60ish hunter
> could argue it's an upgrade in terms of mana and HP.
> For that matter, a warrior could argue (and possibly show)
> the +13 Stamina is an upgrade.
>
> Of course it's really a caster's ring, and primarily a healer's
> ring (due to more +healing than +damage), but "how do
> you tell when it's meant for a class?" Pretty much the
> same way you'd argue with a hunter or warrior who
> could *prove* it's an upgrade in *some* way to their
> current kit in this case...
>

Add to this that the only thing standing between a shadow priest becoming a
healing priest is a quick trip to the trainer. I know druids with five
entire sets of gear (feral tank, feral dps, resto, boomkin, PvP - and you
could make an argument for feral PvP and resto PvP sets if you really
wanted...)

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I think it was Rob Wynne <doc@america.net> that wrote something
like...

>Wolfie <bgbdwolf@gte.net> wrote:
>>
>> "John Salerno" wrote
>>
>>> This dropped in Ramparts:
>>> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24045#comments
>>>
>>> and I rolled for it, and someone in the group said "Rolling need for a
>>> healer ring?" (I'm a shadow priest).
>>>
>>> So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
>>> class, or should I just not listen to people like that? I see that it
>>> has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and damage for a
>>> caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for it?
>>
>> If you change the stats so it's +29 damage and +10 healing,
>> what would you think of a healer rolling need on it when it
>> would be an upgrade for you as a DPS caster?
>>
>> Or how about a hunter who rolled need? A 60ish hunter
>> could argue it's an upgrade in terms of mana and HP.
>> For that matter, a warrior could argue (and possibly show)
>> the +13 Stamina is an upgrade.
>>
>> Of course it's really a caster's ring, and primarily a healer's
>> ring (due to more +healing than +damage), but "how do
>> you tell when it's meant for a class?" Pretty much the
>> same way you'd argue with a hunter or warrior who
>> could *prove* it's an upgrade in *some* way to their
>> current kit in this case...
>>
>
>Add to this that the only thing standing between a shadow priest becoming a
>healing priest is a quick trip to the trainer. I know druids with five
>entire sets of gear (feral tank, feral dps, resto, boomkin, PvP - and you
>could make an argument for feral PvP and resto PvP sets if you really
>wanted...)

On my shadow priest, if a healing item drops that would be an upgrade
for my healing set, I'll need it *if* none of current people healing
want it.
Basically, my view is that if it's item that you'd like, but isn't for
the role you're currently filling, whoever's currently filling that
role has first dibs.

Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:17:43 -0400, John Salerno wrote:
> This dropped in Ramparts:
> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24045#comments
>
> and I rolled for it, and someone in the group said "Rolling need for a
> healer ring?" (I'm a shadow priest).
>
> So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
> class

Generally, if it has +healing and +dmg, the healing bonus is bigger than the
damage bonus and the item is therefore considered a healer ring.

I can't access the link above, so I don't know its stats, but let's assume,
that it has +29 heal +10 dmg (as somebody downthread used the inverse
numbers I guess that's what it has).

On the one hand it is a "healer" ring, so if it is an upgrade to a healer,
it would be polite to pass as a shadow priest (unless you frequently swap
specs). On the other hand, if your current rings don't have +dmg on it or
only very little, you could still argue that it is an upgrade for you, even
though it might be an even bigger upgrade for a healer.

> I see that it has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and
> damage for a caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for
> it?

In your situation, I would probably have asked if the healer needs it and if
it was ok for you to also roll, as it (a) still was an upgrade for you or
(b) you often switched beween shadow and healing.

As others said, this will all be moot once 3.0.2 hits.

Cheers
Urbin
--
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Urbin (70), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (57), Draenei Mage
Mymule (70), Gnomish Warlock | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest | Gera (26), Human Paladin

U> I can't access the link above, so I don't know its stats, but let's
U> assume, that it has +29 heal +10 dmg (as somebody downthread used the
U> inverse numbers I guess that's what it has).

Nice guessing

Band of Renewal
Binds when picked up
Finger
+13 Stamina
+14 Intellect
+12 Spirit
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 29 and damage done by up
to 10 for all magical spells and effects.

"Urbin" <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrngejji3.v2.urbin@stinky.trash.net...

> In your situation, I would probably have asked if the healer needs it and
> if
> it was ok for you to also roll, as it (a) still was an upgrade for you or
> (b) you often switched beween shadow and healing.

I guess that's my problem though. I didn't even think to ask first because I
didn't realize it was a "healer ring". Fortunately the healer who rolled won
it and then I asked if it's not good for a spriest, and even the healer
himself acknowledged it was okay for a spriest and didn't seem to mind that
I rolled.

"Indiana Joe" <indianajoe3@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:indianajoe3-822074.22581905102008@news.giganews.com...

> The one Kara pug I was in had these rules:
> Need if it's for your spec and it's an upgrade.
> Greed if it's for an off-spec.
> Pass otherwise, and the enchanter can grab it and shard it if it's not
> needed.

Yes but the ring in question is BoP

In <48e97550$0$4978$607ed4bc@cv.net> John Salerno <johnjsal@gmailNOSPAM.com> writes:

> So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
> class

You can tell that it is meant for a healer because its +healing bonus is
a lot higher than its +damage bonus.

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On Oct 5, 10:17 pm, John Salerno <johnj...@gmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
> This dropped in Ramparts:http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24045#comments
>
> and I rolled for it, and someone in the group said "Rolling need for a
> healer ring?" (I'm a shadow priest).
>
> So I'm curious, how do you tell when something is meant for a particular
> class, or should I just not listen to people like that? I see that it
> has more healing than damage, but it still has stats and damage for a
> caster, so how do you know when it's good or not to roll for it?

If something is meant for a particular class, then it gets a class
requirement put on it, preventing other classes from using it.

There are items in the game that are intended for 1 class, but usable
by others. Warlock dungeon set 1 for example. There was no warlock
requirement on this gear, but the high amount of spirit (at the time,
a wasted stat for a warlock) made it attractive to priests.

Then there are items in the game that aren't intended for 1 class but
seem to just scream that classes name. The Netherweave set, some of
the very first tailoring items craftable after entering Outland, are
all +stam +spell damage. Obviously, any caster could use these items,
but a warlock can make the most use out of them.

As someone else already mentioned, the only difference between you and
a healer is a respec. But you were in the group as DPS, not as a
healer. If it were me, I would have waited to see what the healer was
doing. If the healer rolled need, I would have passed and let them
have it. If they rolled greed, or passed, I would have rolled need if
it was an upgrade, or if I could have used it for an offspec gear, or
even saved it for a future respec.